Can I find out more about my great-great-great grandfather, Peter Månsson Nero and Peter Månsson’s grandson, Carl Johan Brodd, in military records.? I cannot find them in Centrala Soldatregistret. Tools used were ArkivDigital, Swedish Census (1880, 1890), Swedish Death Index, General Muster Rolls for Gotländska Beväringen, Svea Artilleriregemente and Kalmar regemente, Award symbols, Grill: Statistiskt Sammandrag af Svenska Indelningsverket.
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Lolly wants to find out more about the son of her great-great grandfather, Gren. Johan Gustaf Peterson (Brodd) b. 1817-04-19 in Korsberga, Jönköpings län. The son is Carl Johan Brodd b. 1838-05-07 in Korsberga and he also was a soldier. She also wants to find out more about Gren. Johan Gustaf Peterson (Brodd)´s father, Peter Monson (Nero) b. 1779-09-02 in Lemnhult who was also a soldier. She has not been able to find them in Centrala Soldatregistret.
I have not been able to do it either. However, as we know, this database is not complete. So we must use some kind of work around to find out where they lived when they were supposed to be soldiers.
1 Peter Månsson Nero
I started to look for Peter Monson by using the birth record for his son Johan Gustaf Peterson (Brodd). He was born 1817-04-19 at Benefall, Korsberga. Father is Peter Månsson (Nero) and mother is Lena Nilsdotter, 26 years old. Nothing is mentioned here about Peter Månsson being a soldier. However, his added surname, Nero, indicates that he has been a soldier (Encl 2).
We find the family at Torpet Brännefall (sometimes it is spelled Benefall, sometimes Brännefall) in the Household record covering Korsberga parish 1816-1825. We can see that Peter Månsson Nero is a discharged soldier (“Afsk. Sold.” i.e. “Afskedad Soldat”). Out of five children two daughters have died while three sons are alive. The family has moved to this place from Hörnekull in 1813 (Encl 3).
We find them during the period 1810-1816 and the moving in from Hörnekull in 1813 is confirmed. We can also see that already now Peter Nero is a discharged soldier. In the commentary field we can see “ofärdig I vänstra handen” i.e. “his left hand crippled”. That could be a reason for being discharged. Peter is born in Lemnhult 1779-02-07 (Encl 4).
I think this is a typo. There is no Peter born February 7 in Lemnhult. But there is a Petter born to Magnus Persson and Catharina Jonasdotter in Folkatorp, Norregården on July 2nd, 1779 (Encl 5). The clerk probably turned the numbers upside down so that 2/7 became 7/2.
We find Peter and his parents in the Household record covering Lemnhult 1774-1790 (Encl 6). It would be good to trace him forward until he moves out of Lemnhult. However, the Moving-in/out records for Lemnhult starts 1837 which is too late.
But where is Hörnekull, from which he moved 1813 to Brännefall? Moving-in records for Korsberga also starts 1837 so we cannot find out from where they came using that help (Lemnhult actually is an annex parish to Korsberga and they follow the same standards). And I cannot find any parish with that name in Rosenberg.
Time to study the village index in the beginning of the book. Normally, when a place is given as a name it indicates a parish. Movement within a parish is normally indicated by giving the page number. In this case it should have been a page number since Hörnekull actually is a place inside Korsberga parish.
We find Peter Nero, his wife and oldest son in the “Torp” Hörnekull. They have moved here from Nötebergs torp in 1812. Peter is already now a discharged soldier. In the commentary field we can see the following text: “Vänstra handen crippled. Brukar halva torpet” i.e. “The left hand crippled. Uses half the croft” (Encl 7).
We find them at Nötebergs Soldattorp 1810-1812. And Peter is already discharged (Encl 8). We find Peter as a single man at Nötebergs Soldattorp during 1805-1809. He is a soldier, living with his parents and younger brother, Jonas Magnison. He is not discharged. His year of birth is stated as 1780. His brother moves out 1807 and his mother dies 1809 (Encl 9).
During the preceding period (1803-1805) we can see that Peter Månson Nero has moved in from Callmar in 1802. His parents and younger brother has moved in to the same place from Milletorp in 1803 (Encl 10). So, from 1802, at least, Peter is living in Korsberga and now we need to find to which Regiment he belonged. I will come to that later.
We find the parents and brother in Milletorp 1803. They have moved in from Marieberg in 1802 (Encl 11). We also find them in Marieberg in 1801 (Encl 12).
We find them at Hjälmsäng during the period 1796-1800. They move to Berg in 1798 (Encl 13). In 1799-03-20 Peter moves to Ljungby. Maybe this is when he signs up for becoming a soldier? (Encl 14).
So, how can we find Peter in the General Mustor Rolls? Well, first we need to know which regiment he belongs to and even then there are hundreds of pages to scan through. Before I saw that he moved to Ljungby I went into Jönköpings regemente (since he lived in Jönköping’s County) General Muster Rolls for 1803 sine we know that he moved to Korsberga in 1802 and stayed there. I went through the whole book without finding him. I did not find any places reminding me of Korsberga parish either. So, my conclusion is that he did not belong to that regiment.
Since we know that Peter moved from Kalmar (Callmar) to Korsberga in 1802 he could have been with the Kalmar regiment. After all Korsberga is very close to Kalmar County. Interestingly enough, when we look at the index for the records in Korsberga Parish in Arkiv Digital there are three different General Muster Rolls showing up there (Encl 15):
- Kalmar regemente
- Smålands husarregemente (this is a cavalry regemnt)
- Smålands grenadjärbataljon (this is a grenadier´s battalion)
Since Peter was a soldier he could not have belonged to the latter two. If he did he would have been either a Hussar (a cavalry man) or a Grenadier.
I started by looking into Ljungby HERs for 1799-1810 and found in the index that there were soldiers on 15 different pages. This parish is in the south-western part of Jönköpings län, close to Halland. I looked at all 15 pages without any luck. Then I realized that there is a parish called Ljungby in Kalmar län as well. So I looked at the HER there for the period 1795-1810. Only three pages had soldiers. None of them was Peter.
Since Peter moved from Kalmar to Korsberga in 1802 and he is a soldier, either when he arrives or shortly after the arrival I now looked at the Kalmar HERs. There are 5 districts in Kalmar with one book for each. I could not find him in any of these books.
So, now only the General Muster Rolls for Kalmar remains. But rather than searching through one or more of those without knowing if I have chosen the correct one I decided to try to find out if there is an alternative path to go.
Fortunately, the problem with figuring out at which regiment a soldier served was addressed a long time ago. Already 1855 Claes Grill in Sweden published “Statistiskt sammandrag af svenska indelningsverket”. Based upon where a soldier lived this book gives the probable regiment in the army or in which marine company the soldier served. Today this book is available on a CD which can be ordered from SVAR. And I did today! So, within a couple of weeks I will be able to figure out where to search.
During the meantime, let´s take a look at Carl Johan Brodd!
2 Carl Johan Brodd b. 1838-05-07 in Korsberga
Since you told me that Car Johan used the surname Brodd I entered him into the Swedish Census 1880. And I found a Carl Johan Brodd, Styckjunkare (i.e. similar to Sergeant 1st class) at Visby Artillery. He is married and he lives at the Artillery in Visby stadsförsamling (Encl 16-17). He has a daughter b. 1870 in Visby (Encl 18). To figure out her exact date of birth we look her up in the Death index. She was born 1870-02-28 in Visby (Encl 19).
Now we can find her birth record. It shows that the family is to be found on p 5 (Encl 20). I could not find them on page 5 in any of the books. So instead I decided to look for them in the General Muster Rolls for Gotland.
I used the “Advanced Search” button in Arkiv Digital and the choosed Military archives under “Archive type”. Scrolling down I then found General Muster rolls for Gotlandsbeväringen (Encl 21). This folder contains Muster Rolls from 1862 to 1883 (Encl 22).
The first page is an introduction, showing that this Muster happened 1862-06-06 (Encl 23). Four pages later we find Carl Johan Brodd! Here we find that he is promoted to 1st Constable (i.e. 1st Corpral) 1860-07-02, replacing a Johan Andersson who has been promoted to Sergeant 1860-06-28. We can also see that he has joined the army 1858-01-11. To the right we can see that he is 24 years and 1 month old, which is correct (remember this Muster is happening 1862-06-06 and Carl Johan was born 1838-05-07). We can also see that he has been in the army during 4 ½ years and that he is unmarried at this time. So where did he spend the first two years (1858-1860)? The answer is: Svea Artillery regiment (Encl 24).
I happen to know that at this time there was a Svea Artillery Depot Company based on Gotland. And 1861 Government decided to merge this company with the Gotlandsbeväringens company and that is probably how Carl Johan ended up in Gotlandsbeväringen after first serving in the Svea Artillery Depot company from 1858. I will come back to this later.
This company consisted of 69 men in 1862. 10 of them were officers or non-commissioned officers including a trumpet blower (Encl 25). There was only one 1st Constable and that was Carl Johan.
We now move to the next Muster, which happened 1864-05-24 (Encl 26).
And we find him on Image 570. Here we learn that Carl Johan Brodd is promoted to Styckjunkare 1862-09-02, replacing another Styckjunkare who has been transferred to Svea Artilleri the same date. We also learn that Carl Johan is 26 years old in 1864-05-24 and has been in the military for 6 years and 4 months. That indicates, again, that he joined the military around January 1858 at 19 years of age (Encl 27).
So, what does a Styckjunkare do? Well, he is in charge of the cannons in an artillery company. Since there were only two Styckjunkare per company he must have shared the responsibility for all the cannons with the other guy. What did he do before he was appointed Styckjunkare? As we have already seen before he was a Constable i.e. he handled the artillerists, i.e. the soldiers who used the cannons.
The next General Muster was 1866-05-23 (Encl 28). And we immediately find Carl Johan. He is a Styckjunkare. No further promotion (Encl 29).
You can now continue the search through later Muster Rolls. But we already know that he still was a Styckjunkare in 1880, 14 years later (Encl 17). However, in 1990 he has retired since the f. preceding his title indicates that he is a “former” Styckjunkare (Encl 30).
This book covers the period 1862-1883 and there is no book for this company after 1883. So I took a look at the General Muster roll 1883. It happened on June 25h (Encl 31). And we easily find Carl Johan Brodd. Besides being a “Styckjunkare” he now also is called a “Svärdman” (Encl 32). A “Svärdsman” is a person who has been awarded a “Svärdstecken” i.e. a symbol of reward for a long duty in the army or Navy. It was only given to non-commissioned officers with at least 16 years of peace-time service of which 6 years minimum as a non-commissioned officer (Encl 33). This “Medal” was instituted in June, 1850 by King Oscar I. In the beginning it was given away for free but it had to be returned at the death of the holder. That changed in 1897 and was compensated for by a charge that the receiver had to pay. In return it did not have to be given back at the death of the holder.
Going back to the Svea Artillery Regiment I found the 2nd Depot Company and its General Muster Roll which happened 1860-06-14 (Encl 34). We find Carl Johan Brodd as a 2nd Constable having been recruited Jan 11. 1858. It says that he was born May 7, 1838 in Korsberga, Linköpings län. This is a typo since we know that Korsberga is situated in Jönköpings län. To the right we can see that he is approved to become a Constable, i.e. 1st Constable (Encl 35). And as we seen above, he was promoted to 1st Constable two weeks after the General Muster happened (Encl 24).
Finally, you asked about the word “sjolfforforjare” (Encl 36). The word actually is “Själfförsörjare” i.e. “Själv-försörjare” i.e ”Supports himself”. As you can see he is a shoemaker-helper (“Skomakar-dräng”) at the beginning of the period 1861-1865. He was obviously working for the “Socken-skomakare” i.e. “Parish shoemaker” , Lars Gustaf Magnusson on the same page. Sometimes during this period he managed to become independent of the “master” being able to “support himself”. This is a good thing and shows that he was competent enough to run his own “business”.
3 Peter Månsson Nero again.
2015-04-02 the ordered Grill CD database arrived from SVAR. I installed it and entered Notteberg (Encl 37). The answer was 1 “Rusthåll” i.e. Soldier cottages and 0 Officers places (Encl 38). I clicked on “Rusthåll” and found out that The Notteberg cottage had number 129 and belonged to Östra Härads Company in Kalmar Regiment (Encl 39).
This was exactly the information I was looking for. The database is so much better than the book. Now we know
- In which Regiment´s General Muster Roll to look
- At which Company to look in that Roll
- At which soldier number to look within that Company (129)
We find the 1802 and 1806 General Muster Rolls for Kalmar Regiment on AD. The next one after 1806 is 1817 and this one is not of interest since we already know that Petter has been dischared long before 1817. 1802 might be too early to look at since the Rolls normally describes events earlier than at the time of the Mustering (Encl 40).
We choose the General Muster Roll for 1806 since we know that Petter was a soldier at that time while living at Notteborg. We find the starting point for Östra Härads Company showing that the Muster took place 1806-06-06 (Encl 41). Looking for number 129 we find a place called “Noteryd”. There we can see that an under-aged volunteer, Corporal M.J.A., had been promoted to Sergeant at the adjacent Company Konga Härads Company 1802-06-23. Therfore he had been replaced by Petter Magnusson Nero on 1802-09-30. So, we found him! And this is probably when he first joined the army. His time of service is stated as 3 5/6 years (at 1806-06-06). That corresponds to 3 years and 10 months. Counting from 1802-09-30 it should be 3 years and 8 months (Encl 42-43).
But what about the place name Noteryd? It should have been Notteberg! I think Noteryd was a typo. There actually is a place in Korsberga called Noteryd but it has a different number than 129.
Let’s look at the 1802 General Muster Roll!
We find the starting point for the Östra Härad’s Company showing that the Muster took place 1802-06-22 (Encl 44). Looking for number 129 we find the under-aged Corporal M.J.A at a place called Noteberg! So the name “Noteryd” in the 1806 Muster Roll was a typo! And as we have seen before M.J.A. was promoted to Sergeant on 1802-06-23 which is one day after the Muster Roll date (Encl 45).
Since there are no General Muster Rolls available between 1806 and 1817 we cannot trace Petter for the time 1806-1810 in the army. But according to (Encl 9) nothing changes during the period 1805-1809. So I think he was discharged around 1810-1812.
Kjell S Andersson 2015-04-03
1 Title page
2 HER Korsberga C:1 (1750-1828) Image 179 / page 347
3 HER Korsberga AI:8 (1816-1825) Image 204 / page 387
4 HER Korsberga AI:7 (1810-1816) Image 137 / page 251
5 BR Lemnhult C:1 (1732-1806) Image 61 / page 115
6 HER Lemnhult AI:2 (1774-1790) Image 104 / page 195
7 HER Korsberga AI:7 (1810-1816) Image 96 / page 169
8 HER Korsberga AI:7 (1810-1816) Image 113 / page 203
9 HER Korsberga AI:6 (1801-1809) Image 256 / page 493
10 HER Korsberga AI:6 (1801-1809) Image 155 / page 291
11 HER Korsberga AI:6 (1801-1809) Image 63 / page 107
12 HER Korsberga AI:6 (1801-1809) Image 70 / page 121
13 HER Korsberga AI:5 (1790-1800) Image 234 / page 455
14 HER Korsberga AI:5 (1790-1800) Image 232 / page 451
15 Arkiv Digital. Korsberga Index
16 Swedish Census 1880. Carl Johan Brodd with family
17 Swedish Census 1880. Carl Johan Brodd
18 Swedish Census 1880. Elin Maria Carolina
19 Swedish Death Index 1901-2013. Elin Maria Carolina
20 BR Visby Stadsförsamling CI:15 (1866-1870) Image 1150 / page 112
21 General Muster Rolls for Gotländska Beväringen 1925 (1862-1883). Index
22 Dito. The back of the folder. Image 10
23 General Muster Roll 1862-06-06. Introduction. Image 160
24 Dito. Carl Johan Brodd. Image 200
25 Dito. Image 90
26 General Muster Roll 1864-05-64. Introduction. Image 560
27 Dito. Image 570
28 General Muster Roll 1866-05-23. Introduction. Image 940
29 Dito. Styckjunkare Carl Johan Brodd. Image 950
30 Swedish Census 1890. Carl Johan Brodd with family
31 General Muster Roll 1862-06-06. Introduction. Image 2570
32 Dito. Carl Johan Brodd. Image 2580
34 General Muster Roll Svea Artilleriregemente 1860-06-14. Introduction. Image 3140
35 Dito. Carl Johan Brodd. Image 3160
36 HER Karlstorp AI:12 (1861-1865) Image 17 / page 7
37 Grill. Search form. Notteberg
38 Grill. One hit
39 Grill. Notteberg (129)
40 AD. General Muster Roll Index for Kalmar Län
41 General Muster Roll 1806 for Östra Härad´s Company
42 Dito. Noteryd No 129. Petter Magnusson Nero
43 Dito. Enlarged
44 General Muster Roll for Östra Härad´s Company 1802
45 Dito. Noteberg No 129.